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Jamie: [00:00:00] It's pretty bad. When you forget where the record button is and your podcast host, it says it's the end of summer Mickey we're at the end of summer. Welcome back. We. We have survived the summer. This is our, this is our unofficial intro right into the episode. Oh, wait, I forgot to count 3, 2, 1. There we go.
Welcome to CRMimprov. Everyone. Here we are back from the summer. We're back. Even know each other.
Mickey: These two highly trained professional podcast hosts are, uh, Mickey found
Jamie: the record button and I found my desk again. And we're
Mickey: back at it. yes. Today is, uh, is my kids' last day of summer before school starts.
Oh,
Jamie: is it my, I was wondering mine, uh, start next week. So yeah,
Mickey: school starts tomorrow as we record this. And so, um, we're preparing for the dynamics and [00:01:00] the shift, uh, the household. Yeah. Uh, what it will be like during the day starting tomorrow.
Jamie: Yeah. So Mickey, I don't know if you get this experience, but I have this, so my wife is a faculty member.
So most of her summer is pretty flexible, right? Like she does, she's an overachiever. So she does go into the office a fair amount, probably more than most, but there's a high level. I'll just say a high level of flexibility. There's no one saying, Hey, you know, where are you or how come you're not in today or blah, blah, you know, this kind of stuff.
But I do find as a work from home employee that the period of time, right about between like August 15th, And in my case, like September one is maybe some of the, like most chaotic, because I'm like trying to manage, you know, the household as like Charlotte goes into the office and keep my kids from, you know, killing themselves, killing each other, not killing themselves, killing
Mickey: each
Jamie: other.
And there's a high [00:02:00] level of. Um, it's I have an inability to concentrate. So do you face this, do you face a similar thing, uh, during those periods of time or are, I know you're more experienced, so I'm gonna say that maybe, maybe
Mickey: you have some secrets for me. Um, well, I can't concentrate anytime I lose it's it's, you know, Like the wind.
Oh, look a bird. yeah. What were we talking about? Yeah, no, um, uh, this was one of my, um, favorite times on the college campus. The transition period. Yeah. Oh, college campus or I loved them transitioning of students leaving transition of students coming back. Yeah. Even when I was working with adult students being on a campus, when the traditional students came back was.
You know, an invigorating period. There's just this new level of energy, so much energy and, and, and starting, starting back work, you know, I was 12 months, but it just, it changes your focus. It changes your attitude and [00:03:00] yeah, I think it probably minimizes the negative feelings around the chaos. Yeah. Does the chaos exist?
Yes. For us, it's diff this is a, um, I have it on, I don't recall experiencing this the last two summers. Yeah. Um, but you know, our RV travels have, uh, really wound down. We've all we have left is like one half week trip around Columbus day when kids been off school and then several weekends. Yeah. Um, one I think is a long weekend, but still, yeah.
Um, that that's all we have left. And so our house is like, Chaos. The, the order of, you know, we've got RV stuff, we're cleaning RV out and that's everywhere you got going back to school. My wife currently has an injured foot, which means we're not able, she's not able to go out and do the stuff she'd normally be doing this time year.
And it's just, it's a little craziness. So at the end of work, I'm like, I'm, you know, what, what has to be done today? Yeah. So that I, and I'm not worried. Six months from now. Sure. Um, what [00:04:00] has to be done or even, or even next week? Yeah. What has to be done today? Um, yeah. You know, gotta pay for this sport.
Gotta pay for this activity. Gotta, oh, totally. Get registered here. You gotta fill out. If you're gonna help coach the volleyball team, you gotta fill out this form and get this. Like it's just it's it's chaos. Yeah. That rises up and just adds to the stress of, of our work. When we work in education, it also changes the dynamic of what we're.
Day to day work. Um, and so it's all just bubbling bubbling to the surface.
Jamie: Um, so what you're saying is you, you're saying, you're telling me I'm, I'm gonna distill what you said. First of all, you don't have the, you don't have the magic answer, which I was hoping for. . Um, the second thing is you live 24 hours in front of you, which is exactly what I'm doing.
And probably what most of our listeners are doing right now, too, as I just remember this time on college campus, one loved the energy and probably because you needed so much of it, because it was [00:05:00] like last minute, you know, like, you know, people like. A a application appears outta nowhere and it's like, it's like, you found a hundred dollars bill.
It's like, how are we gonna get that? Like, how are we gonna reel that thing in and figure out like how to make this work? And you're running everywhere, trying to get,
Mickey: well, some people on campus thinking that, and I would be the person thinking that, but I also thinking about. Hmm, how do I bring this to the team that has to process or the person that's gonna be responsible processing?
That's gonna be like, sort of a, another one, Mickey. Yeah. I'm tired of this. So how do I navigate those waters? Yes, I would say the excitement. For me and I'm sure other people probably diminishes the negative feelings you have over the other chaos. Sure. Yep. Uh, and realistically at this point and this year, and I don't know that I've ever, I don't recall ever doing it more significantly car, um, compartmentalizing.
Work is five 15. Yeah. I'm stopping right now. I am not focusing on work cuz I have, I've [00:06:00] got something to clean up. I've got something to move. I've got, you know sure. The garages, disheveled get all these things that need to be done. Yeah. Uh, and so I just cut it and, and do that now. And I, and I'm not making up for it by starting even earlier.
It's just like this week is not gonna be a 50 hour week. Right. This is a 44 hour week. And just like this morning, I was looking at RFPs at drop. There may have been three to look at three, we could have considered, maybe we'd done two, and I'm saying we're gonna do one because of due dates because of where things are.
Sure. Uh, and the, I do like to plan so well. I don't necessarily focus very well all the time. I do plan. And so like, I'm looking at due dates, this one's due, uh, September 6th, this one's September 13. I'm at a conference September 6th, tonight. Yeah. So if I can't the one on the sixth I can do, cuz that'll be done before.
Anyway, one on 13th. Not gonna happen, don't have time to fit it in next week. Cuz I do at least know well enough, what is gonna be down the pipe next week for. I, I don't have time to do an all nighter. I don't have time to work seven o'clock next week to get [00:07:00] that RFP done. That's good.
Jamie: Right? Seems like you're BA you're working on your boundaries, Mickey.
That's good.
Mickey: One thing has been standing up to me and maybe I'm just gonna digress and change our tubs right here. I mean, Hey, that's I posted about it on link once this is a riff. Yes. That's what this is. This whole podcast is supposed to be for this purpose, you know, to allow this, I posted on it once on LinkedIn, this.
And I've held my tongue from commenting multiple other times. Um, balancing work, life balance. Yeah. What is it? Um, you know what, I can tell you what it's not yeah. A single measure for everybody. Um, work life balance is different for everybody and where your balance is, does not mean equal on the scale yes.
Of work. And non-work. it just means that you know, where it needs to be balanced and sometimes it can be shifted in one way and sometimes it'll be shifted back to me. That's it. And I've seen, this is social media. [00:08:00] But a lot of comments that are judging people based on, they seem to be taking too much time off or they're working too much.
They shouldn't be doing that. You know, you gotta have work life balance. Yeah. Some people work then have hobbies and have personal lives and all that stuff. I like to think. I work and my hobby happens to be work and I don't have a problem with that. Yeah. My family doesn't have a problem with that. We have a happy, successful family life mm-hmm
So when I talk about working 50 and sometimes 55 hours a week, That's an issue for some people yeah. For themselves. If they had to do it an issue for them, which I don't know that it should be, that I am working, that I'm out. But for me, if you look at somebody who's really into a hobby and they worked 40 hours a week, they might be spending 50 hours a week with work and hobby.
Yeah. Why don't I have a hobby? Because to me, my work is a hobby. It is fun work. I love it. I like reading about what [00:09:00] other people are doing. I like studying this industry. I like doing this work. Mm-hmm . So for me, if I spend a lot of time on it, I get joy from that. I get joy from spending time with my family.
Um, so, you know, when people talk, oh, you've gotta have the time off. And, and, and I've been criticized. Not in a mean way, but just challenged more about my, the way I take my vacations. You know, I take halftime vacations in the summer and, and throughout the year mm-hmm instead of taking a full week off to go and completely shut down, I will work 15 to 30 hours in a week that we're traveling, but I get so many more trips.
We were, you were just talking about flexibility, how many people spent their summer on the road? 53 out of 75 days. Yeah. And had that time to take off at work. Yeah, not many, but that's because I worked half time. Yeah. I still accomplish a lot of things that I'm, you know, I'm proud of. So for me, you know, I [00:10:00] think everybody's gotta do their own thing.
And I think, yeah. You know, for me, I'm, I'm, you know, it's not healthy, is it, is it really not healthy? It's not healthy if I'm only getting three hours of sleep a night. Yeah. But if you are working 40 hours a week, And a job that you hate and is very stressful. Yeah. To me, that's not necessarily healthy. Oh yeah.
But I don't, I'm not gonna judge you for doing something. That's unhealthy drinking. A six pack of beer every night can be said to be unhealthy. I don't, I don't do that by the way. um, I don't know if that was clear and with right. That one didn't really
Jamie: fit in there, but whatever,
Mickey: but, but there we choose to do that are healthy and not healthy.
Yeah. I do not see. Me spending this amount of time is being unhealthy. And I see people labeling that effort to be unhealthy. Hey, I know you're deeply engaged with this conversation, but we're gonna pause just for a moment for an important word for our sponsors.
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Jamie: That's an interesting concept. So here here's my question. And I would. There are gonna be listeners who are gonna be like, oh, that's exactly what a workaholic would say, right?
Oh yeah. I love my work. So it's okay. So my here's my question, because I do think, I agree with you that there is a, this is a subjective measurement. Um, it's not a, you know, once for all kind of measurement, because we all do different work. But I also, and I know for myself, like I do what you do sometimes.
Like I go up to my house in New York and I worked, like I was off that, you know, that, that week we were supposed to record one of those weeks that we were supposed to record and I have terrible signal up there. Uh, which was great, cuz I had an RFP to work on anyway. And, but um, [00:13:00] but for me, like when I have those exp like I have those times where I.
Recognize that my balance is off. There's like a signal, you know, like there's, so it's either, you know, I wake up in the middle of the night thinking about things that have to be done. Mm-hmm or I have a hard time, like, um, like extracting myself from work, you know, at five 15, like you said, it's like, I can't shut it off, cuz I'm just like churning in my brain.
What are your signal?
Mickey: I call 'em indicators. Yeah. Um, and I think you, what you just said are, are, are two of them. Yep. Um, when am I not really there with my yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jamie: Presence. Yep.
Mickey: Um, you know, shutting that down and finding something that helps you do that. Yeah. So I, I need, give me 30 minutes to watch a modern fam episode of modern family.
Yeah. Laugh. And that will break. That thought [00:14:00] process. Gotcha. I need something long enough to hold my attention. Sure. To break, because if it's something small, you'll go back into it. I get it. Um, and then other things I, you know, I think you have to learn what, what's your mood like? When is work impacting your mood and your mood around other people?
Yeah. Um, I'm fortunate. I don't, that's not often for me. Um, maybe once a quarter. Yeah. I will go into where. More than an hour of time where I get really moody yeah. Around things. And maybe it's over a week or two, you see, like I can beat moody and, and I catch that. And I, and, and I have my own ways of getting out of that mood.
Yeah. I will tell you some of it is personal and some of it is still work related. I'll pull out one of my great books right now. I'm re-listening to be 2.0 beyond entrepreneurship. And I'm taking more notes, loving every second of it. Um, and I'm taking notes work related. Yeah. And I'm listening to [00:15:00] it.
What was I what's today? We're recording this on our Tuesday 23rd. Yep. Sunday afternoon. I was in the garage, cleaning it up, getting rid of all of our cardboard boxes from deliveries that have been getting to the house all summer. I'm listening to that book PA in every little bit, go highlight something, get back into folding up boxes and clean it up like that.
Yeah, no, I, those things, you gotta know, those signals. If I wake up in the middle of the night, I don't do that often. Yeah. Um, but I think, you know, that's a, that's an issue. Yeah. If I'm waking up and some, when I wake up, by the way, I don't, I can't go back to sleep. I'm done. Yeah. Gotcha. Um, and so if it's two o'clock, I can either sit in bed till three 30 and still be awake or I can pick up, go downstairs, turn the TV on.
Watch a Dateline. Yep. The husband did it. I'm just telling you . Um, right. And then that'll help me break the spell of a thought pattern that will then let me go back to sleep. Um, but [00:16:00] if I do that more than, you know, once a week or once a week for two straight weeks, then that's an indicator. Yeah. But I'm very aware of those things.
Right. And that allows me to. Recalibrate. Yeah. To, to get back into that. So it's not like everything's perfect all the time. Yeah. But, um, to not have to, you know, I don't need a week off to recharge. Yeah, there are a lot of people don't say I can't take a whole week off. You know, I'm by three, four days, I'm itching and I'm going, and that doesn't mean they're going back to work.
They wanna go back and work around the house or go back to some other activity. Right. You know, and, and I'm not a handy person, you know, I don't enjoy working with. Tools. Anyone who listened
Jamie: to our last episode realizes that Mickey needs his RV repair shop to
Mickey: get that's. Right. Exactly. like, but you know, you got something's wrong on electro Allen.
I, I'm not touching that. You know, I, I, I'm not good with it. I don't trust that. I won't electrocute yourself, you know, but listening to that book and then thinking, oh, [00:17:00] here's an idea of, yeah. You know, here's an issue I've been thinking about work can figure out. That's part of the solution right there.
Yeah. And I can get, you know, and I, and it's not, you know, it's not taken away from the family's time. Cause when I go to the kids' soccer game, there are an occasion where I might have to take a call at one of those games. Yep. But then after I call, I'm sitting down and I'm focused and I'm in that game.
Yeah. Um, at, at dinner time, you know, I may not be in dinner time when I'm cooking. If I'm making dinner, I might be thinking about work most of the time and listening to music. But then at dinner, I'm there. I'm not at work. I'm there. We have our family, you know, we have the family times we do being on the road.
You know, you, you being on the road a lot of times in places that doesn't have internet signal, by the way. Yeah. That, that helps that gives you whether or not you want it. You're gonna be in some dead time. Yeah. And so one time I took a, I
Jamie: took a couple years ago. We, um, this was when I was working for an ed tech startup.
So highly stressful, you know, lots. [00:18:00] Venture capital that you're working with and trying to make sure everything puts comes together. And we went to Ireland and I made the choice. I was like, I'm gonna leave my phone at home. And I was spent 10 days in Ireland without my phone. And it was like one of those things where the phone becomes, you know, like, and I think this is one of those things that I know personally, I have to like regulate, you know, like, you know, we have a rule at our house that at dinner.
There's no phones at the table, like they're not allowed. Um, and so, you know, if an email, if something comes in and I get some indication on my watch or something like that, it's like, Nope, like this is be here. And it's really, it's hard. You know, there are times when I have to like discipline myself, not to look at things and, and, you know, to be more present.
It's one of those things where I you've gotta make those proactive choices sometimes to be like, okay, Nope, this is okay. It's okay to like, not be, you know, anchored by some of that. And other times, like you said, you know, [00:19:00] sometimes you just have something that's gotta be done and then there's a conflict, you know, like, like you said, at a game or at a, you know, on a weekend or something, they it's the only time when this person can get something to work, it's like, we're gonna make it work because that is part of the flexibility of the roles that we have.
Like, and I think that we have. We can, I
Mickey: think that's another part of it too. Yeah. Right. Owning the fact that there's a privilege involved that I know I have, that I can, I do have that flexibility. Um, There's good and bad with our company policy, where we work. We don't have PTO policy. You take the time you need, we encourage four weeks.
You need more, you take more. Yeah. As long as the work gets done, that's, that's it. And we don't have people working 50
Jamie: hours a week. I mean, let's okay. Hold on one second. Like totally agree with
Mickey: that.
Jamie: Um, my company does not have that policy. We've had the conversation and, and what, you know, be that as a mate, here's the thing about this whole scenario.
at what point did we understand [00:20:00] that a salaried worker has to be under hourly constraints like gen generally speaking, right.
Mickey: Good question. Good question.
Jamie: Somehow like this, this, this kind of like, we used to be hourly and then we moved to salary. A salary in my mind makes the assumption. You're hired to get your work done.
That's been, that's put in front of you, whether it takes 90 hours or it takes 30 hours or 25 hours, or maybe it takes five hours that week. It's like, that's the whole point. The whole point is you're in it for the ebbs and flows. And like, hopefully you have a good enough system that keeps it more consistent, but like that's the whole gist.
Mickey: Yep. Sorry. Well, so you sounded more experienced to me on that one. Jamie, uh, little bit of old school thought on that. And if it's 90 hours a week, then Barard, you're gonna hang in there for the, take one for the team. um, I mean, obviously no one wants to work 90 hours a week and you are, hopefully you're getting paid extremely well happy with it, [00:21:00] or you move on.
Um, but you know that, you know, we have that policy, uh, And I hope that my team and I try to talk with them all the time about it, to feel like that. And part of my job is to ensure that anyone on the team is not being taxed too much and finding what's reasonably, um, what's the right balance of, of, of effort that needs to be done for work.
And you know, that that's, that's part of it, but you know, I'm pretty at the end of the day, I am very. Satisfied with this. I, you know, you talking about the, like the phone thing, we don't have that rule our house. Luckily we haven't had to make it, cuz I can't think of the last time someone tried to bring a phone to our, you know, like to, to the table just, and like it doesn't carry.
Like I I'm not like living. Oh my God. I gotta be on the phone at all the time. Yeah. I don't care. I just, I don't have a watch. Yeah. Uh, of any sorts of the Timex, um, calculator type or iPhone type, you know, I don't have any of those, uh, on my wrist ever
Jamie: classic
Mickey: throwback. And [00:22:00] I'm kinda glad I don't, now that iPhone exists had I had a, like a, an regular watch years ago.
I probably would have an eye watch now. And that would probably be a Des distraction for me. But, um, I'm more of an iPad user, which kind of limit. Yeah, where you can do it. And if I'm sitting at the beach, I might pull out occasionally just to check a ch uh, a chat message or something like that, but I'm not, I don't, I don't live live by it.
So I think maybe that's part of it. And, and maybe some people that do work a lot do have that by their side over the time. Sure. Yeah. Um, but you know, at the end of the day, I think it comes back. The, the perspective and the understanding and the context, a lot of people don't understand. They think workaholic, they think they've got this phone and that's, that's all they do all the time.
Before we go in and start making an assessment about someone's someone else's work habits. Yeah. You know, is, is why are we doing that? And, and, and let's try to be more flexible and not assume that that's not a healthy or, or good life. That's really, you know, what stands out to me [00:23:00] is I, and helps me ensure that.
I'm not a judging, um, people inappropriately, um, based on that, or based on the fact that, you know, well, you know what, I did see a comment and it, uh, got angered by it. Maybe anger is not the right word. I definitely was perplexed by it. There was a, it was an Adam Grant post, um, that was shared by another thought leader.
I follow, um, about work, about work life balance. Yeah. And the person's comment was, you know, what. All we, all we are doing is going in to do this job that we have to do to get paid and get home. And I don't wanna work anything beyond that. And that's not fair for life work, life balance. I'm like, whew, that's sad.
Right. And I'm trying not to judge that maybe that person wants that life. Yeah. Because what they do outside of it is something they can't get paid for. And that's really, what's important as them. Sure. And I don't wanna think negative about that person. Right, right. But I hope for every. Yeah. I really [00:24:00] do hope that people can find work that they love.
And I don't want people to feel like they have to love work the way I feel about my work. Yeah, yeah, sure. But not to feel like, oh, I just gotta go and do this. Cause I, yeah. Drudgery kinda second. Like that to me on the scale of things to me is more unhealthy way, significantly more unhealthy than what I, how I have chosen to live my life.
But yeah. But again, I don't want to think bad about that person. It might not be the, the style I know for me, that would be unhealthy. Let's just put it that way for me. That would be very unhealthy. Yeah. I don't want to judge people who choose to do that. Um, because end of the day, I think for the most part, especially in the period of the great resignation for, for most of us, it is a choice.
There are jobs out there. Yeah. Um, so people after this period is over when there aren't a lot of jobs out there, um, at some point, um, Then people will have [00:25:00] had an opportunity hopefully to ensure that if they wanted something different in life, they can have that. Yeah. Um,
Jamie: we're out of time, but I think, you know, I, I was, when we were talking about this for the last couple minutes, I thought, man, we should have done this at the beginning of the, of the summer, but I'm actually thinking now it fits more actually, as we kind of enter into this semester, right?
Like there is this like general, uh, whether you have a family or kids or whatever, For a lot of us, there's a routine that starts in September, right? There's a, a cadence to life. And I think, um, as I think about my own situation, I, I have been looking forward to the routine and the cadence, because I feel like this summer has been crazy for my family.
But at the same time, I do think that, you know, this is a challenge that we all need to be wrestling with. We had the, our episode a couple times ago, a couple, um, two episodes ago, we, we were talking with Pete and like, there was this, this really, this really important thing of that conversation with [00:26:00] Pete about like really like digging deep to understand the me, the, who I am kind of thing.
And I think this conversation really bleeds into that because it's like this work life balance is not about. It's not really about ours. It's, it's really about perspective, right? It's really about like, Hey, what am I bringing to the table? And. Is this job drudgery. Am I looking forward to being there? Do I enjoy who I'm doing the work with?
Because, oh my word, Mickey, last week I was in Nashville with my team, the entire team, and it was amazing because I, and I offered to be there with you and you didn't. I know, I know, sorry. Uh, next time maybe, but it was like one of those things where it's like, I, I love what I do because I'm impassioned by like the, you know, this, this idea of helping higher educat.
But I love who I'm doing it with. And that is one of those things that's like, that helps the work life balance in my life to be, you know, it, it kind [00:27:00] loosens it up a little bit, takes me a little bit out of the, the mentality of like, oh, you know, I can't, I can't believe that person, you know, it's like, it's like, we're doing, we're having fun together making this industry different.
And, and I think that. Like that's huge.
Mickey: I, I think what you, you said it, it kind of crystallizes it a bit for me, the worklife balance, the output of that balance is your happiness. Yes. Um, that's a good, how do you, right? How do you balance it so that you have the most happiness that you can have? And for me, I'm at a pretty high level for that.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, at, at the, at the, hopefully the highest of levels, um, not on a scale of who's who's happiest. Yeah. But just happys. Yeah. Um, and I feel like I'm pretty high in that. I will tell you kind of what you described. Cause we actually had a similar, uh, thing. I was, we had our, we had a retreat first time we brought everyone together, uh, at the beginning of August and, um, I met half of my [00:28:00] team for the first time in person.
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Same. Cause they, we hired them over the course of the pandemic. Uh, and I was amazed at how well. This team just communicated and shared and laughed and how much fun we had. Yeah. And I'm not at least in this current period of my life. I'm not, I used to be more, but I'm not, you know, those types of activities like retreat , but I had such a, an amazing time.
Yeah. And I told them they're probably sick of me saying how, um, just happy and amazed I was at seeing how well they, yeah. Jived. So when I consulted on my own, and I think we'll, maybe we'll try to end on this. You know, when I left higher ed and started my own, uh, consulting part, cause I called it fourth dimension partners and mm-hmm and that, that title meant a lot to me because when I left my role in higher ed, I didn't know if I could like anything as much as I yeah.
Really loved that work. Right. Um, and, and. We had been doing as a team, um, at [00:29:00] the college. Some we've been getting some tremendous results, our student satisfaction and retention and yeah. Through the roof, yeah. Had grown and grown and grown. We we're upper 90% or mid nineties of, of like retention for adult students.
That's not a hard, hard thing to achieve. And our enrollment was growing leaps and bounds ahead of all the other schools around us. Yeah. Doing really, really well every year. Breaking metrics. Like four in years in a row. And, and, you know, I feel like our team was jiving like that. We all got along. We had a great, great team.
And so what I wanted to do way, I kind of thought it was, you know, we're almost at like the, you know, the bulls triple P you know, winning back to back to back. There's a level of success that is that great. That it's other teams can't compare to that. Yeah. You can't recreate it. You have to, to organically get there.
Yeah. To me, it was like another dimension and that's why I called it the fourth dimension. And when I started consulting, my goal as a consultant was to help other institutions find that dimension. [00:30:00] That's amazing. Yeah. And what's so cool right now is I think our team's at that dimension. Yeah. Um, And I think that's why we're doing, we're having such a great year because of that camaraderie, that ability to collaborate and work together seamlessly to get the results that we really wanna see content.
And it's, it's, it's such a wonderful feeling. That's great. Wow. Well, we didn't talk about the topic we had on we didn't the next time we'll talk about the topic. Slow is fast. Fast is slow.
Jamie: Hmm. Think about that while you wait. Listen, dear. Listen. It's coming up.
Mickey: Oh, all right. Mickey MI. Thank you. Yeah. Good to
Jamie: see
Mickey: you again and welcome back.
Yes. And alll listeners, thanks for hanging and waiting for us this summer. Uh, while we took some time off and excited for another great year, we're back.[00:31:00]
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The what's what...
Mickey and Jamie thought they were going to talk about one thing….but ended up on a COMPLETELY different topic (so tune back in to hear that later one). In true form to the show, we pivoted to talk about something else - a true riff! So here it is…the topic - determining YOUR personal work life balance.
Have you ever thrown shame on someone who you think is taking too much time off….OR someone who doesn’t take enough time off? Do you consider yourself qualified to measure how other people are dealing with this balance?
We live in a world, in a society, and in an industry where there is a LOT of expertise…but does that qualify us to judge when someone else has a work life balance issue? Maybe we do and perhaps we don’t. Instead of judging, we should support colleagues or subordinates - and watch for signals or indicators that show a lack of balance. In short, this is a personal thing - it ebbs and flows with the seasons and with each individual. Listen up…together, let’s stop throwing shade when we don’t know all the factors for another person.
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Mickey Baines leads the technology services practice at Kennedy & Company. Kennedy & Co assists colleges and universities in the selection, implementation, customization and integration of various CRM technologies, including Salesforce, TargetX, Slate and others. They lead projects of all sizes for public and private two and four-year institutions. Whether he's working hands-on in an enrollment strategy project, leading a CRM implementation or speaking at a conference, the goal is the same - to help higher ed professionals implement technologies, strategies & tactics that engage and enroll more students.
Jamie Gleason is the Vice President Of Enrollment Strategy at Direct Development. He brings over 15 years of higher education experience to the team; almost a decade of which was spent on campus(es) and nearly six years was in edtech. A self-proclaimed "farmer + fixer," Enrollment has always provided the perfect challenge for him! He's happiest when mining through spreadsheets, results, and (generally) any type of data!
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