The Power of Mindset and Mental Skills (Part 2 of 2)

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Hey everybody, it's Jeremy Tiers [00:01:00] and this is episode 15 of the Mission Admissions podcast. Today's episode is the last one in our first season, and it's the second part of a special two part series that I'm doing on the topics of mindset, mental toughness, and mental skills. If you miss part one or haven't had a chance to listen to my conversation with well known Performance Mindset coach Lindsay Wilson, please check that out.

I think you'll find it super helpful. Before I dive into part two and introduce you to Tami Matheny, I want to again thank every. For listening, your time and attention means a ton to me. Whether you've listened to all the episodes or you've listened to just one or two, or even if this is your first one, please know that I appreciate you.

I really hope you've been able to take something that one of my guests, or maybe it'll be Tammy today, says, and apply it to your daily life to help you grow. That is my hope, so I'm excited to welcome my friend Tammy Mathen, to the show. Tammy is an author, a speaker. She's the owner of [00:02:00] Refuse to Lose Coaching and she's a member of the John Gordon team.

As a mental coach, Tammy helps a lot of people improve things like their confidence, focus, motivation, mental toughness and teamwork. Fun fact about Tammy, she's also completed a handful of marathons. Tammy, I have only done one half marathon that I did cause I did it with my dad. And Tammy is also an avid cyclist, so welcome to the show.

Tami Matheny: I'm excited to be 

Jeremy Tiers: here, Jeremy. So Tammy, what led you to get into the world of helping people with their mindset and mental skills? Like how did that come about for you? 

Tami Matheny: You, you know, it was a gradual thing. I can't look back and say that this was the moment that I had that aha. But as an athlete growing up, and even in in school, I was never the strongest, quickest.

But I had a pretty good work ethic and I knew there was something about this confidence piece that you hear people talk about and I knew when I had confidence how much easier school was or [00:03:00] sports. And so it always fascinated me and kind of aging myself. That was before the whole sports psychology, you know, outburst.

Um, but just, you know, anything I could pick up to read about the brain fascinated me. You know, I go into college and I was on what I call the confidence rollercoaster. Did a good grade. I was at the top, have a bad grade. I came down, same with sports. Hit a shot in basketball. I'm up miss a shot down. And it was just such an exhausting ride.

I had a lot of success, but it was exhausting and I thought there's gotta be a better way. So even as a college student, I just started studying what makes. True confidence. What do they have that I don't have, I can get from them? And eventually that led to formally studying it and just trying to, trying to make a difference and help people get off of that rollercoaster sooner than I 

Jeremy Tiers: did.

So where do you think self-confidence comes from them? Is it something our parents [00:04:00] and other people instill it in as a young age, or is it No. Even if that doesn't happen, like you can read books, you can listen to podcasts, you can, like where do you think it comes? 

Tami Matheny: Well, I think parents, coaches, teachers can definitely help, but I think there's too much emphasis put on that because you know, it, it's easy to have confidence when you're getting the results and or feedback, but that's fleeting because we can't control that.

So what I've tried to do in, in the Confident Athlete book, my first book was to identify four. That we can control. And if we work on on a consistent basis, we start to own our confidence and that's self-talk. All of the thoughts that we have in our head, and just helping people learn how to talk more positively or productively.

I don't think everything should be positive, but having a productive thought instead of just putting ourselves down. Uh, the second one is what I call walk the walk or our body language. How we carry [00:05:00] ourself, our face express. The third I call, see it be it. And that's what image do we have of ourselves and how can we recreate that image and actually visualize that's who we want to be, as well as visualizing our skills.

So we get that extra reps in that helps our confidence. And last but not least is preparation. It's hard to be confident when you haven't put in the work, and I think a lot of people know that, but they focus on the physical. But that also entails the mental and the emotional work as well to help 

Jeremy Tiers: with the physical.

Is there one of those, Tammy, that you see people struggle more than with the rest? Or is it kind of a balance of all of them? 

Tami Matheny: I would say self-talk and then obviously that ties into the image we have of ourselves. Cause our images come from our thoughts, obviously. Um, but you know, I've read different studies and there's one study that says 90% of the people.

in the world [00:06:00] think and have unproductive and negative thoughts more than they have positive. So that to me, there's a lot of unproductivity out there, but yet we're still productive. So how much more successful can we be once we learn to talk to ourselves instead of listen? Cause too often we listen instead of talking and being intentional with what 

Jeremy Tiers: we're thinking.

So what is the process then? If you can break it? for somebody listening, what is the process of self-talk? How does that happen? 

Tami Matheny: Well, you know, it's, there's a lot of different exercises or tools that I do pull from. I would say a lot of my go or several of my go-tos, um, is, is analyzing the stories or narratives that you tell yourselves.

We all identify ourselves, like if I'm in the sports, I'm, I'm not so good with my left hand. And we say that over and over and over until that's what it becomes. Or I can never get [00:07:00] that type of job. And it may be true up to that point, but every time you speak it, you're just reaffirming that fact. And you know, I have stories I tell myself, I mean, you know, I talk about this every day, but I still have to go back, write down the story I'm telling myself, and then rewrite the new.

and I don't believe in lying to my brain. Using the example of the left hand again, I'm not gonna say, oh, I have the best left hand in America. No, I don't. My brain's gonna say, no, you don't, Tammy, but I'm working on my left hand, or I'm getting better at my left hand. So it's telling our brain that there is hope if we keep putting in the work, instead of just like, no, I'm no good at talking to people.

You know, one more example, I'll give. . I made very good grades in school except for anything involving writing. Kind of ironic now that, you know, I'm an author, um, but I just would tell myself I can't write and the feedback I would get from teachers [00:08:00] was the same. And senior year in high school, I actually had a book report back with a big F on it, and she said it was too good to be mine and I had done the work, but basically she was accusing me of plagiarizing and I left.

I listened to that story and it was just easy to say, no, I don't write. I don't write. And so my first book was actually kind of a selfishness of, of me showing and getting outta my comfort zone that I could write and changing that narrative and that story. Uh, so that, that's just another example of, to me, that's the most important thing, you know, stop for, you know, take some time, take 30 minutes and think about what stories are you telling yourself that are holding.

In your job, in your personal life, um, or if you're trying to do something athletically and then rewrite it, and then every time you have that negative thought or say it out loud, then come back with what you've rewritten three to five times to help over [00:09:00] override that negative story. 

Jeremy Tiers: How important. You mentioned writing things down and it's, it's interesting, I've had, you know, previous guests and a lot of them have talked about the importance of everything from journaling to just writing things down.

Anytime you're trying to improve something, whether it's a mindset related thing or not, how important do you think writing stuff down plays into all this? 

Tami Matheny: You know, I think there's personal. , that's a personal decision. We all learn different ways. I know for myself, if I'm sitting in class or if I'm listening to a sermon or listening to a podcast, I can listen and think, oh yeah, I like that idea.

But if I do not write it down, it is lost somewhere in the brain after, you know, after, after it's over. And so I just, I retain information better by writing it down. And a lot of people, Um, some people retain it better by just really paying attention and soaking it in and maybe repeating it afterwards.

So what I always tell clients [00:10:00] is the best retention is when you can bring it back up three different ways. So tell someone, share it with someone what you've learned, write it down, and then actually try to act it. Put it into. . So I think back to your question, I, I think writing is very important and I know at least for myself it is.

Jeremy Tiers: So then how important is success when it comes to, okay, I've started to do more self-talk, I'm doing more visualization, I'm doing some of those things you mentioned. How important do you think success is in terms of then reinforcing. the brain to believe, okay, I not only am rewriting a different narrative, but I'm seeing this new narrative actually like, benefit me or do something for me.

Do you need to see success to continue to reinforce it, or I mean, thoughts on that? 

Tami Matheny: I, I think it's very important. I, I think you can still be successful, you know, Rome, what? And building a day. Again, different studies say it takes 21 to 30 days [00:11:00] for new habits. So, you know, I always like to preface. It's not a magic pill, it's not necessarily gonna change overnight, you know, sometimes it does, but you think about how long you've been thinking that narrative or that story, and so it's not gonna just disappear overnight.

So it, it's putting in the work and being consistent with it. And obviously when you see a little bit of success, that does usually give you a little more motivation to continue. 

Jeremy Tiers: We think the hardest mental skill then is to teach somebody, Tammy, or to help somebody. 

Tami Matheny: Believing in themselves. I mean, you know, that's, uh, they want to, but some people, a lot of people are almost scared of what might happen if they actually do believe in themselves.

And then there's the, how do I believe in myself? I struggled with that early on, so I understand that and I get that, but I know how much better life is when I can start thinking positively [00:12:00] before something happens. . John Gordon has this saying that fear and faith live in the same arena and that arena is the future.

Both if you fear something or you have faith something, belief in something, it's about something that has yet to happen. So why in the world would you pick fear over faith and belief in yourself? You know, that was a aha moment for me when he put it that. Um, but it is usually when we don't believe in ourselves, it's because of something that has yet to happen.

And then there's the second thought. It's something that has already happened that, oh, that happened once, so it's gonna happen again. Um, so it helping people being in the present moment is another tool, but you know, with your self talk and teaching people to focus in the present. Don't dwell on something that's already ha happened or think too far ahead.

So I think that's the [00:13:00] second skill that probably is very important with our self-talk and learning of staying in that present moment. 

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Jeremy Tiers: way. That's so important, and I love that you brought [00:15:00] up fear. It's something that when I have conversations with in missions, enrollment marketing, financial aid professionals, fear comes up almost every time and it's surprising to hear from so many people.

wait, why? Why would I need to talk about fear? Why do I need to address different fears and concerns that a prospective student or a parent might have? And to your point, I would argue it's just who we are as humans. We all have them at some point in our life, if not multiple times. And I think, I love how you said a lot of times it's something that hasn't happened yet.

And I say that because one of the biggest fears that every single time gets brought up about the college search is fear of making the wrong. Like as a student, as a student athlete, like how do I know if I choose this school, like I'm not gonna get there in two months and go, what did I do 

Tami Matheny: that? The first thought is go to preparation of making sure you've prepared and put it in your work to figure out if it is on paper in your head the best option.

It might not be the perfect option. Rarely is it [00:16:00] anything perfect, but what is the best option? Let's do your homework. Let's research. If it's the school you're going to, does it have what you. You know, thinking of scenarios, would you be happy in this situation, that situation? So doing your homework, putting in the work, and then once you make a decision, it's goes back to the story you tell yourself.

And when I am working with athletes of helping them with that decision, my thing is, once you make it, you gotta be all in. And, and that's the same with the job. Once you decide to take a job, you've gotta be all in. Or most likely it's not gonna work. Because you're listening to those what ifs did I make the right decision?

Instead of when you go to your school, go to the university, when that, oh, this class, it's hard. Instead of thinking, did I make the right decision? Okay, it's hard. What am I gonna do about it? And, and being proactive and productive with your thoughts instead of just the easy way out. Did I make the wrong decision?

And I [00:17:00] think too often, I don't wanna generalize, but in our society, especially with our, our youth, , we think too much in terms of how do I get out of this? Instead of, how am I gonna get through this? 

Jeremy Tiers: Why do you think that is though, Tammy? Cause I agree with you a hundred percent. You know, I, I feel like the, the struggle is, and I see this in my day to day, and I'm sure you do, and a lot of people listening to, we know a lot of times, all right, this isn't working what we're doing.

We need to do something different. We need to take a different. And we even, I would argue, come up with strategy sometimes on what to do. And then I feel like, I don't know if it's the fear of failure, the fear of this is new, I've never done it before, but like action, right. Actually putting it into practice seems like such a big speed bump for so many people.

Agree or disagree? I 

Tami Matheny: completely agree. And you know, you ask why and that would probably be a whole nother podcast. I, I haven't so many ideas on that. Well, what 

Jeremy Tiers: are some of them? Cause I'd love to hear them. 

Tami Matheny: I think society is [00:18:00] a change as a whole has changed and we let people quit too often. You know, there was no option for me when I was playing sports or I even remember I had piano lessons and I hated them, but there was no way my parents were letting me quit till I got through a series of them.

I knew that, so I tried to make the most of it instead of knowing I had that option. If I didn't like it, I could. , so, so I do think as a society as a whole, we allow people to quit too early. You know, I went to the University of North Carolina my first semester, been my dream school. That's where I was going.

No question about it. Didn't even look at other schools. I was miserable. As soon as I got there. It was such a bigger school than my high school. I wasn't used to that. I had not thought ahead of that, but my parents were like, Nope, you've gotta stay at least one semester and figure it. It, you know, and I'm thankful that they didn't allow me to.

Now, I probably wasn't the nicest daughter to them at [00:19:00] that time, but you know, it taught me to be able to push through things and figure it out. And that wasn't the right answer for me at that time. But I could look myself in the mirror and know I made the right decision at the end of the semester when I did transfer.

Instead of just being able to quit right in the middle of 

Jeremy Tiers: things. Well, we all need to fail. Right? Like, and I'm sure I didn't understand that as a 16 year old, 13 year old, or even a 24 year old, like young professional. But to your point, like I talk a lot, and I'm sure you do too with people, it's okay to fail, but to your point, what are you gonna do about it now?

And why did you fail? Yeah. Did you fail because you were prepared and it's a preparation thing? Did you fail because you know, Situationally, something happened that you didn't plan for when you played out, okay, here's how I think this is gonna happen. And you visualized and you did all these things. I would argue you could do, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this, you can have the right preparation, you can visualize, you can give yourself confidence.

This is, and you're still potentially gonna be put in a situation [00:20:00] where it doesn't play out. And I think a lot of times it's back to your point of, well, what are you gonna do now? That's where we get stuck. It. Oh, well, it must have been bad. I must have not prepared. I must have just any thoughts on how to overcome something like that?

Tami Matheny: Well, it, it's kind of my tagline or go to, and it, it's, this is good ha creating a, this is good mentality because I, I look back and that first semester did not go how I wanted, but in the long run it was good. It led me to where I needed to be. It taught me a lot about myself instead of, it was just a. , you know, losing a job.

I, I've lost a job before and, you know, the first month or two I threw a pity party, but ultimately it led me to my dream job, what I do now. And I wouldn't have been here if I hadn't have been let go. And so it, it's creating that this is good and I. Stole it from an African folk tell I heard long ago. You can even see one of my [00:21:00] books are titled, this is Good.

I wear it on my wrist every single day. But it's the mindset that nothing's good or bad till we decide it is. And there'll be bad events that happen and the human brain naturally just will default to negative. This is bad, this is danger. This is a. But when we can teach it just to pause, stay alive mentally to allow something different or better to show up in our lives, then that's when success happens.

We need failure to learn. If we talking in the sports world, very rarely do you see a championship team that didn't have that bad loss and they look back on him like, that woke us up, or that helped teach us what we need to. You know, you see that in every aspect of life. So it's creating that this is good mindset and keeping your brain alive along enough, uh, to overcome that failure and seeing failure as necessary.

We need to fail to learn. [00:22:00] 

Jeremy Tiers: It gets me thinking. And again, just something else I'd love to pick your brain on. What do you think about the idea of who you surround yourself with? Matters, meaning, obviously if you surround yourself with people who are more positive, right? And it doesn't mean. Fail. And it doesn't mean they do everything perfectly, but like they're open to the conversation and you know, I'll even say they call you on your crap, right?

Which I've talked about before. I would argue we all need those people. And when we have those people, it actually benefits us for more good versus if we surround ourself with a lot of people who do always believe the worst, that obviously is then more likely a trait we're gonna take on. Thoughts on any of that?

Tami Matheny: I completely. Uh, because our brains are, are so easily influenced. And even though you might think you're in control, if you're surrounding yourself with negative, with lazy, we start to take on those traits. I've seen that in my own life. Even when I, no, I've got this, I can handle this. [00:23:00] You just start to slowly change based on who you're surrounding yourself by, you know?

And I even say that with, so social media, I know there's a lot. Administrators, coaches that are antisocial media, but it's here. So my goal is how can I help create a positive niche? And in saying that, my goal in the morning is I have a handful of social medias that I like to read, and I make sure that they're positive and I'm feeling my brain with that.

If I look on just the feed of the negativity, then it puts negativity in me and I can feel my body change. I can. So even it's what we read and hear, even the music we listen to, I think can be a big factor in influencing us cuz we're easily influenced. So I completely agree with 

Jeremy Tiers: you. I joke with people, but it, it's a perfect point on top of what you just said.

I mean, back to music. Music is something for me a hundred percent, that helps [00:24:00] me remain in a positive mindset, right? When I'm at the gym or when I go up and I give a keynote or a present. A hundred percent. I have whatever you want to think of, a playlist, walkout, music in my brain that I'm listening to for none of it's negative songs, right?

It's all positive things. It's all pick me up music. It's all like high, high energy type stuff and I, I appreciate all your thoughts there. I think that will absolutely help a ton of people. You mentioned habits earlier. How important of a role do you think habits then play? In our professional life, 

Tami Matheny: we are what we do on a consistent.

So our habits create our behavior and ultimately create our success, our lack of success. I mean, that's, you know, about as blunt as I can put it. But, uh, when you have good positive habits, then you're creating a positive, confident life. Um, when you don't then. Sometimes you have success, sometimes you don't.

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Jeremy Tiers: I think consistencies, you know, I talk a lot in levels, so I'll say, Hey, you gotta do the 1 0 1 before you do the 2 0 1 and 3 0 1. And I feel like one of the big challenges moving up levels in any job or career is can you do whatever you need to do on a consistent basis? Right? I, I can have good days and I can have bad.

But can I be more consistent with my preparation with my habits that lead to then more good days than bad days? And I, I just see a lot of people struggle with that. How do you start a new habit then, Tammy? What does it really take? 

Tami Matheny: It takes the self-talk. What we tell ourself helps influence our actions.

So it starts with, I am going to do this today. I will do this. And going back to my story I shared [00:27:00] about writing a book, I had those thoughts. I couldn't write. And one of my, what I call Zoom daily activities I did was just repeatedly tell myself, I am gonna write, I can write, I am going to, um, you know, it's the same like with weight loss.

Someone that's trying to lose weight. You have to tell yourself, no, I'm not gonna eat that piece of cake. Or, yes, I'm getting up and going to work. Um, just to tie that in, I read a study, I believe it was from Forbes. I, I need to go back and look for it, but it was about 15 years ago and there was research done on the most, the successful traits of every possible field they could think of, from athletes to musicians to administrators, fortune 500, you know, presidents and the number one trait, I love to have people guess, but the number one trait.

The most successful people control their thoughts. Not that they, you know, had goals or they had [00:28:00] failure, but because they control their thoughts, because that ultimately controls the rest of everything else. If I can control my thought, I'm gonna be disciplined and get up in the morning to work or work out.

If I can control my thoughts, then I'm handling that failure and seeing it as this is good. So, in a nutshell, it comes down to our 

Jeremy Tiers: thoughts. And how much easier do you think it. To control your thoughts when you've defined your why

Tami Matheny: you're speaking my language. I, I, I'm in love with why? Cuz if we don't know our why, then our thoughts are going to go everywhere. But when you know your why and you connect with it, like connect, like say it to yourself in the mirror, first thing in the morning, that's one of my little morning rituals.

Then it is just adding. , it gives you that power, it gives you that motivation and it helps you stay in control of your thoughts. When I start to struggle, you know, I get [00:29:00] out of, I was in administration at a university after coaching and. , I struggled sitting behind the desk and the computer. Well, since Covid, my job has kind of pivoted a lot to doing Zooms and being behind a desk, and I have right above my computer here my why statement.

So when I'm like, oh, I have to sit behind the computer again, I look at my why and remember why I get to sit behind the computer and it's amazing how that little thing of reconnecting with my why just shifts. So I think your why is, is people say, ah, that seems too simple. It can't have that much power.

But when you really know why you're doing something, that's all the motivation you need. And when you don't get that short term result that you want, you reconnect with your why and it helps put things in perspective. 

Jeremy Tiers: I love that and I could not agree more. And for me, my professional career, no doubt, defining my why has helped.

What I do professionally to a [00:30:00] whole different level. And you know, those of you that have been able to see my office because you've done a Zoom with me or you know, if you can see in the background, there are just things on my shelves and thing on my wall that you'd be like, well, like what's the significance of that?

So many of them tie back into my why, right? And I just, I see so many people. So if you're listening to this and you have not clearly defined your. Please let that be the one thing you take away from either listening to Tammy today or just in general, because it does, it helps you with mindset and so many other things.

Mm-hmm. 

Tami Matheny: quoting John Gordon again, and I'm probably gonna butcher this quote, but he says, you know, he has a saying that it's not that people get burned out, they just forget why they're doing something and they start to, to shift the focus on the negatives or what's not going on. But that is so true. , you know, if, if you're unhappy having a bad day, gosh, that's such a great anecdote.

Just go in, connect with your why and shift your [00:31:00] mind and I guarantee your day will 

Jeremy Tiers: get better. Yeah, I had Allen Stein Jr. On, uh, on my second episode and. You know, Alan talked a lot about burnout and how it's a misalignment and, you know, in his opinion, and a lot of times it does, it goes back to not, you know, having a defined why or not being able to say, okay, where I'm at, like, how does that tie into my why?

And so it's, it's so important. What motivates you then every day, Tammy? I mean, what is your why? That's maybe a better question to ask 

Tami Matheny: you. My why is I wanna make a difference in as many lives as. , you know, I want to help people get off of that rollercoaster. That's my why that I say, but then I kind of get a little deeper that I wanna help people get off the rollercoaster sooner than I did and just help people have a more successful life.

We have everything that we need inside us to be successful. Uh, we just have to uncover that. Yeah. 

Jeremy Tiers: And I'm sure many of you listening to this, right? I'm empathetic to the fact that so many of us have different circumstances and things that [00:32:00] we're dealing with, right? And, and all of. No doubt plays into stuff that Tammy and I are talking about today.

I just encourage you, it's, it's baby steps, right? It's not, we have to figure it all out today. We have to define our why, and all of a sudden come up with a bunch of new habits, start to do visualization, start to don't, you know, don't over complicate this. Put added stress on yourself, but just understand, right?

It's gotta start at some point if you want a different result. Tammy, we've been any, every podcast with a couple of things, and so we're gonna do them. I want to ask you the same signature question I've been asking all our guests. What's one important piece of advice that somebody at any point in your life, doesn't matter if you were young or it's happened in the last couple of months or a couple of years, something that somebody's told you that's really stuck.

Do you wanna be 

Tami Matheny: right or successful? That sticks with me every single day because, you know, a lot of people said, I got into the wrong job. Should have been a lawyer. Cuz I can argue, you know, with a brick wall. Um, but does it help me be right and not always? [00:33:00] And there are many things in life or in your job that you are probably right, but the more you focus on that is just hurting your chance of having 

Jeremy Tiers: success.

I love that. That's really, really, Th That in and of itself again, is just another nugget that I hope helps a lot of people. Fun. Rapid fire is the last thing I'm doing, so I'm gonna give you just a handful of things and I just want some quick, immediate answers from you. Okay? Okay. Your biggest guilty pleasure is chocolate, wine or beer.

Tami Matheny: Oh, depends on the day. If I'm watching a game, beer, uh, with a nice meal. Wine. 

Jeremy Tiers: Okay. Favorite vacation. 

Tami Matheny: The beach, feet in the sand. Okay. Drinking my hand. You, 

Jeremy Tiers: you are very much on the same wavelength as me. Favorite college campus you've ever been to, or most beautiful. I'll let you do either. Chapel Hill, 

Tami Matheny: unc.

Jeremy Tiers: Duke, no . No. I say that sarcastically [00:34:00] obviously because of the rivalry, although they're both gorgeous fans. 

Tami Matheny: Of course. 

Jeremy Tiers: Duke is. Yes. Yeah, they're both gorgeous. Having been on both, fill in the blank. For me, the best thing about Christmas is family time, and I would argue the best thing about Thanksgiving, you know, I would say is the same thing.

I don't know if you would say something different. You know, being able to spend time with family is awesome. Tammy, thank you for sharing so much. If people want to connect with you on social or they wanna learn more about, you know, some of the things you help orgs and people with, what's the best way to connect with you?

Twitter, 

Tami Matheny: Tammy, t a m i, math, m a t h e n y. Um, Instagram Refuse the number two. Lose coaching. Um, Facebook, Tammy Math. I have several different Facebook. Parents in the mental game. This is good. The competent athlete email. I love getting questions and you know, every time I get a question or asking for advice, that's helping me live my why.

So please reach [00:35:00] out Tammy r two c.com 

Jeremy Tiers: and as somebody who's known, Tammy, you know, for a handful of years. You know, off and on. I a hundred percent encourage you to reach out to her. Much like I encourage people to reach out to me for the exact reason she just said, which is it helps her with her. Why?

Thanks again, Tammy, and just thank you if you've listened today for listening, and I wish everybody health and happiness until the next time we connect. 

Tami Matheny: Thank you, Jim.

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